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Could someone please close the most recent RfA thanks template on my user and talk page so that everything below it is not included in the templated background, i.e. so that the reference section on my userpage does not for example appear as part of the RfA thank you? Thanks! Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 23:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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In terms of "been in lots of notable works, fails all aspects of WP:FICT and WP:GNG right now" articles I know of and will get around to *at one point*, the best I can think of is Stranger (Myst). I've been working on a entire topic cleanup, but I haven't really dealt with the fictional aspects much besides corralling them all into more unified articles. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs () 00:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm...
What other interests do you have? Want to work on one like Clover (creature) from the movie Cloverfield? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Electronic Gaming Monthly weapons reference
While the reference may be useful, the way you're wording it into articles could use a little more attention. Some observations:
- Don't tell us where the information comes from in the prose. That's the role of the reference footnote. Use {{cite journal}} to get the right formatting for the footnote.
- Who is Keirsey? You've dropped a name in without explaining who or what this person is. As with writing about fictional things, always make sure that someone who has not and may never look at what you are talking about knows what you are talking about.
- You keep mispelling the first time you use the word "Electronic", suggesting that you've made a mistake when copying text into a file on the computer and are pasting it onto Wikipedia. Please fix that in the file you're pasting from.
- If you have to make the whole point entirely in the reference as it cannot be properly integrated into the obvious section—as is the case on Team Fortress 2—try moving the information somewhere where it can be integrated smoothly into the prose: TF2's development or reception sections are more appropriate than the classes section in this example.
Compare these two ways of dealing with the Halo Needler:
Main prose:
The Needler weapon was recently featured in an Electonirc Gaming Monthly article that discusses its practicality and historical precedents. Keirsey praised the weapon's practicality and mentioned ancient Amazons painting "their daggers pink to aachieve the same psychological unhinging of an opponent" as a historical precedent for the fictional weapon.
Reference footnote:
Evan Samoon, "Gun Show: A real military expert takes aim at videogame weaponry to reveal the good, the bad, and the just plain silly," Electronic Gaming Monthly 230 (July 2008): 49.
Main prose:
In an article discussing the practicality and historical precedents of fictional video game weapons, military expert Keirsey praised the Covenant needler weapon for its practicality, noting that it was similar in style to daggers painted pink by ancient Amazonian warriors to achieve "the psychological unhinging of an opponent".
Reference footnote:
Samoon, Evan (July 2008). "Gun Show: A real military expert takes aim at video game weaponry to reveal the good, the bad and the just plain silly".
Electronic Gaming Monthly
(230): page 49.
Straight wikicode for the footnote:
{{cite journal | last = Samoon | first = Evan | year = ] | month = ]| title = Gun Show: A real military expert takes aim at video game weaponry to reveal the good, the bad and the just plain silly | journal = ] | issue = 230| pages = page 49}}
Make it flow naturally, without sounding like you're trying to promote the magazine (I know you're not, but the original wording can potentially be taken that way). Ideally, add some variation in how you introduce the point on different articles, especially on articles that are linked together in some way (HL2 and TF2, for instance). The information you've got is good, good show for finding it (now you're saying what the information is rather than simply saying its been in this magazine), its just a matter of getting it integrated. -- Sabre (talk) 22:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you for signing my signbook. :) <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 03:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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And I appreciate you toning down your rhetoric from Nazi secret police to mere fundamentalism. Any progress is commendable. Randomran (talk) 18:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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Here's one for you. :) BOZ (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
are you watching me?
Either way... despite how far away I may seem from your vantage point, I'm pretty much in the middle on the deletionist/inclusionist debate. My goal isn't to destroy wikipedia or eliminate every topic that reminds me of my 7th grade teacher. It's to maintain and enforce some kind of standard, whatever that standard might be. Randomran (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments at WQA
I appreciate your comments there, really, and I think they help clarify the message I was trying to get across in a way that would have been impossible for me to get across alone.
If you'll notice, prior to the "Findings" section, my general attitude was "Yeah, Pixelface is kinda being dick, but so is everybody else. What do you want me to do about it?" However, after some thought, I decided that if I did not explicitly condemn Pixelface's style of argumentation, it would be seen by some as if I were condoning the rather sad level of dialog taking place at WT:FICT right now.
In other words, even though it was knowingly unfair, I decided to single out Pixelface in order to make it abundantly clear that this sort of thing is not helpful and not encouraged. Your follow-up comments provide a much needed counterbalance to what I said, and I thank you for it.
Hopefully things can get straightened out at WT:FICT, ha hah... I am staying far, far away from that hot potato. It's especially tough for me because I started out as an inclusionist, and I now consider myself a moderate (and reluctant) deletionist (you can see the rationale at my user page if you are interested). I know from your contribs that you are a staunch inclusionist, and it is a position I actually have quite a bit of respect for. Maybe some day I'll feel that way again, heh, I remain very uncertain about the issue. Anyway, I'm rambling now. Best of luck! --Jaysweet (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alien and Predator timeline (2nd nomination)
Have to be WP:DRV then, because I'm weighing up the Keep votes in that AfD and finding them lacking. Let me take you through the Keep votes and my opinions on them
- User:Colonel Warden - "no pressing reason to delete" (personal opinion)
- User:Firefly322 - "It's verifiable" (not from secondary sources it isn't)
- User:Tj999 - "because the timeline helps alien and predator fans understand the chronological sequence of events in the series" (WP:USEFUL)
- User:DGG - "Appropriate alternative way to present the material" (well fine, but I'm still not seeing secondary sources, and it's still duplicating information in other articles)
- User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles - I don't understand your vote. You rail against "cruft" repeatedly throughout your reply, but the nominator didn't mention the word cruft at all . You say it's verifiable, but don't put forward any secondary sources. You say "The real world context is obvious", and then fail to explain what real-world context there actually is. You say "Per our First pillar, Wikipedia is a science fictional encyclopedia.", which is plainly taking 1P to mean what you believe it means. "(Wikipedia) is therefore consistent with a specialized encyclopedia on science fiction or Aliens or Predator or all three." - no, it doesn't mean that at all. I'm sorry but you really need to think about these !votes a little more.
- User:Fordmadoxfraud - WP:USEFUL. (A user who I'm sure a lot of AFD closers are starting to ignore now - people don't realise that when they start voting Keep or Delete exclusively, eventually admins closing AfDs tend to discount their contributions).
- User:Myheartinchile - WP:ITSSOURCED. No, it isn't.
- When even User:PeaceNT points out that this isn't salvageable, it's time to listen.
Yours, Black Kite 23:28, 14 June 2008 (
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